Bliss: Our Path to Ourselves
On today's episode, life coach Cory3wing Thorell takes on the problem with the context of healing, and challenges us to own who we already are as perfect exactly as we are. And that our path to bliss is our path to ourselves.
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Cory’s Bio:
Cory3wing Thorell is a Certified Life Coach with training in NLP, Neuroscience, Epigenitics, the Magnetic Mind, the Silva Ultramind, and the Circle Way.
For 30 years before making the change to be a coach, Cory was creating, designing, building, and touring the world for large scale professional show business.
The Learn * Do * Teach model is the foundation of the human journey and sets the path for making lasting change in our lives.
Full Transcript:
Sarah Marshall, ND: Welcome to HEAL. On today's episode, life coach Cory3wing Thorell takes on the problem with the context of healing, and challenges us to own who we already are as perfect exactly as we are. And that our path to bliss is our path to ourselves. I'm your host, Dr. Sarah Marshall. (music)
Sarah Marshall, ND: Thank you, Cory3wing. Oh, magical mystery. One that you are for one: walking into my life. Almost a year ago. And two: being willing, to spend some time with us here at Heal and be a part of this amazing project and, you know, sharing your insights and views and your own life, your own path, what it takes to heal, what you see healing is all about and what you can offer others to contribute to their journey.
So it's an honor and a privilege to have you.
Cory Thorell: Well, Sarah Marshall, it's a joy to be in your company every single time. Yeah. Thank you for having me. Delighted to be here.
Sarah Marshall, ND: So what shall we talk about? (laughs)
Cory Thorell: Well, you know, I've been thinking about this, this, and I've been listening to some of your other episodes you sent.
I mean, like we've been talking and healing is something that, I walk the life of this, every moment... of healing, you know, and it's a word I want to start off by saying that the word heal I've had a problem with most of my life. I have unbelievable sympathy and compassion and, support for integral conversations who are for people who are in their healing process.
Absolutely. But there's a part of me and it's a real simple part of my spirit that maybe goes back to divine consciousness about healing and the thought that what if we don't need to heal because we're perfect the way we are. You know, and I understand when we're broken, I have my own broken pieces that I'm healing on myself every day, but what gets me through a whole lot of that, and it gives me the courage and the stamina to go through the pains of healing, especially when you're stuck and maybe stuck for decades is the belief that I'm perfect.
That were all perfect. The way we are, you know, that we come with the tools inside of ourselves, ready to go. And the thing that I'm aware, especially as I'm in my fifties now, and I look back and I look at the people in my world and the people that I show up for, and I see that we're not taught how to access these very tools that are with us.
We're taught to be afraid. Yeah. Which kind of goes against it all. Right. So that's kind of where I'm starting in our conversation.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Well, just, just your perfect whole and complete, and there's nothing wrong with you and you're not actually broken. We'll just start there. Sound perfect! Well, I mean, it's, it's brilliant.
And I I've actually had that... I'm gonna say, concept has been offered to me a lot over the last decade of the, you know, performance coaching work I've been involved in, in the transformational educational work I've been involved in. That's one of the foundational principles of where all of the transformative education starts from is the first principle is there's nothing wrong with you.
There's nothing wrong with your life. There's nothing to fix. And that's still a pretty hard one for me to swallow. And, you know, in our pre preamble, before we hit record, that we were talking about today, you know, is like for whatever reason, I just woke up raw today. And in all intents and purposes, my life is like on fire in a good way, you know, and launching this project I've been dreaming about for five years and getting incredibly rave reviews and like the excitement and the energy and.
You know, we're in a pandemic and there's a lot of economic strain in my businesses, you know, like I have all these things to be grateful for and I am, and yet I woke up this morning and there were just tears.
Cory Thorell: Yes.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yes. Yeah. Fear of vulnerability. And I don't want the ugly parts to be seen. So I'm over here, like yes, Cory, I totally agree.
We're perfect, whole and complete. And then inside I'm like, no, that can't be true.
Cory Thorell: Well, you know, I want to say, I want to say to that, You know, like when we have these kinds of conversations or when we're looking for help. 'Cause we don't have an answer and be that with a doctor or advice or with a mentor or with any struggle is that it's important to show up with every part of us, every, every bit of us, sometimes we can leave part of ourselves out of our conversation and maybe that's a painful piece or embarassing piece or something that hasn't quite worked out. You know, but as we show up with every bit of ourselves into our conversation, including the raw and prickly and bumpy and ugly parts, you know, I think it's important that we bring every bit of ourselves to the table, and those parts that don't ever get a voice, maybe we invite them to have a stronger voice than they usually get hidden in the dark, you know?
And so, as we ask for help, healing to me is an invitation to change. You know, and I think about healing with the influence of the word change. It's a whole lot more tangible than, I'm broken forever or I'm sick or I'm, I've been, somebody else told me I'm going to die, or I have this terminal thing or a disease that's irrepairable.
And those things are amazing details, but they're not our identity. Hmm. You know, those are, those are definitely things that are on our journey. There are obstacles on our path, but those things are not who we are at the root level. And I think it's so important to remember that our divine selves are not our diagnosises.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yeah.
Cory Thorell: And I think we get confused in those two things all the time, especially with a terminal diagnosis, for example.
Sarah Marshall, ND: And our culture pulls for it, you know, is like I am a cancer patient. Versus I have cancer or even I don't have it. My body's dealing with cancer. I mean, there's like all these ways to up level the language and to create, not to distance ourselves, because what I see a lot that happens in a lot of healing crisises is where people have numbed out or they're disassociating, and they're not dealing with what there is to deal with. But like actually as an empowering way of looking at it, you know, to not identify so much with it, but it can become. An experience that like, this is who I am, or I think there were points in my life too, where it was like, this is all I can be. I mean, as a kid, I had asthma and my particular case was pretty severe, and so there was all these, like in the eighties, they literally told kids with asthma not to run, like don't cause an asthma attack, but actually turns out regular exercise when you're not in the middle of the next of an asthma attack was actually really healing. But, you know, fortunately my parents allowed.
More of that. But I mean, there was like times where they were like, don't run, don't be a kid, don't play, don't be out in the grass, don't get exposed to animals. Don't trigger, you, don't trigger, don't trigger, don't trigger, don't trigger. And so like when I, you know, no wonder, I'm like, I can do anything. Cause like, you know, as a kid, I was like, you tell me what to do. And I broke out of all of that, but that was the prescription. And it was meant with the best of intentions in order to try and keep me from having an asthma attack and prevent that the lack of oxygen getting into my body. But so when it gets the antithesis is for a while, it was this, like I was living in this world.
If I can't, I can't do that, I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that. I'm not able, I'm not able. And then there's stuff inside me that I still have as core stories that I've been working on, but that are in the world of like, I don't know if I'm big enough for that. I don't know if I'm capable of that. I don't know if I really have what it takes. And they probably come from those experiences.
Cory Thorell: Right. Oh, yeah, totally. You know, it, it brings to mind, like, how do we show up? How do we show up for ourselves in our own healing process or slash how do we show up for others in their healing process? Be that a client or your parents or your child, or the people that you're near you, who are struggling with a healing journey, you know, like how do we show up to have that conversation? You know, I think, you know, was often our first response of any kind of diagnosis of any kind, because we're using the word diagnosis is to stop with white knuckles and wring our hands and take a gasp and wonder what are we going to do now?
You know, or we could just like, maybe call, sit down and kind of have a little giggle and put, okay, well, what are we going to do now in a whole different light? What do we get to do now? What are we being invited to do now? So...
Sarah Marshall, ND: When you say like come to the table or show up for the conversation, it sounds amazing, but like, can you give us an on the, like, what does that actually, what would that look like in your life or in somebody's life?
Cory Thorell: Well in my own life, you know, like, I've got a lot of things that I struggled with in this world. One I've I've had as a red head, I've had skin issues my whole life, and I've been to doctors and looking for help and look at nutrition and all of these things. And I'm still looking for some of those answers, you know, 10 years ago, after a false HIV Test.
They said I was negative. I was really positive. And I ended up with full blown AIDS and not knowing it with all of this terrible, terrible, terrible situation. My health was falling apart in my hands, you know, and so vulnerable and terrified about this diagnosis. And what do you do?
Well, you step into the hot seat and start looking at where you are right now, how it feels. You know, where's your, what, where on the table is your fear factor and how is your fear factor inhibiting your ability to move forward? That's a pretty good place to start.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yeah,
Cory Thorell: absolutely.
Sarah Marshall, ND: And I can only imagine with.
I mean, just even, even with all that we've done in the last, what is it now? 40 years around AIDS. Just that word still holds so fear, so much meaning, so much significance.
Cory Thorell: Alright. And at the time, you know, when the doctors told me I had full blown AIDS and I didn't even see it coming, right? Did I dare tell my friends and family that I had full blown AIDS?
No, I didn't use those words. I can use them now, in retrospect, looking backwards because I'm standing here as a healthy man, but at the time I was afraid of other people's fear, way more than my own journey into my, into my own path. I was afraid of the people around me in their limited beliefs or their limited knowledge around my situation, including my employers.
Like all of a sudden I have this thing that I need to tell people I have to show up and tell the truth. You know,
Sarah Marshall, ND: So how'd you do it?
Cory Thorell: Well, before I decided to tell people what was really going on, I stepped into my solutions and started feeling my solutions before I started advertising where I was at. That gave me the courage and the strength and the story available to tell those who I knew would be freaked out way more than myself.
My family, my mom, to make sure that she, wasn't going to worry about me more than she always does, which is such a message of love to be worried about. Thank you for that. But do I want to enhance that in a terrible way? No, I don't. Do I want to coach that and massage that into the, the most divine message of love as I can? Yeah. No, I think it's important to go back a step and say, all right, we have to do that for ourselves first. Okay. You have something that you need to heal in your world, something you're choosing to change on your journey. How do we talk to ourselves about that change? So part of me is like, okay, let's take a step back and see a little bit bigger of the picture to see how did we get here?
You know, what created the possibility for the need to change now, like be that whatever it is we're going to change a healing is sometimes it's, it's a thought process or sometimes it's a physical ailment or it's a set of beliefs that no longer serve you
Sarah Marshall, ND: Or a career, you know, that's no longer feeding you or,
yeah.
So like one of the things I've shared on some other episodes is like, one of my beliefs is. When I look at people coming into my practice with different ailments, they can kind of fall in, and you know, this isn't the truth, but it's a really important, powerful way of looking at it. They can fall into two camps.
One is they stopped doing certain things that were healthy for their body. And it deteriorated. And the lesson is like bringing ourselves back into alignment with things that are healthy for us. But then there's another place that I think is more over. That's what we typically tend to think of. Like, I did something wrong or I haven't been eating right. Or like, whatever. And that's why I ended up in this situation. But I also think there's another place where it's almost like we're marching along. On our evolutionary journey and a disease comes up to meet us, to transform us. It's like the catalyst to propel us forward into the next phase of our life.
And it's like, I might be saying this wrong, but I would think of like, is it Lorenzo's fire or Lazarus's fire? Like, like, I dunno, there's a transformational fire story out there, somewhere that like, it's like, We tend to think of diseases as we're wrong and we're broken. Although I've interviewed a lot of people who've been through cancer in particular.
And I asked them about, you know, would they do it again? And, and there was these big responses of like, God, I can't believe I'm saying this, but like, I would not be who I am today without having gone through this. So like, yeah, I'd do it again. Yup. So like, I imagine that a lot of that resonates with your transformation and your process through this.
Cory Thorell: Oh, absolutely. You know, I think, you know, at the time it was scary to be asked or presented with this opportunity to look at myself differently. Yeah. An opportunity to step forward with my, in my spiritual relationship with my body. You know, and how am I going to move forward with this? I have received unbelievable gifts because I'm HIV positive, including an invitation to be in the conversation about healing it from my body entirely.
What an awesome conversation to be in, in our time right now.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yeah.
Cory Thorell: You know, and to actually believe it's possible and I might even see it in my lifetime at the grand scale, you know, whereas, in the eighties, as a young person in this world, watching most of my friends at the time, literally die in the AIDS crisis.
And now I'm like, Oh, Oh, how interesting that we evolve so quickly.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yeah.
Cory Thorell: So quickly, you know, but you know, it's like sometimes I think, especially with my clients and what I do in my work, sometimes we think about we're a human having a spiritual experience; let's turn that upside down or what if we're a spirit having a human experience? (laughter)
Sarah Marshall, ND: That's more what it feels like.
Cory Thorell: Well, and I think we have a whole lot more power in our hands. The tools are in our hands when I think of we're thinking about it as (BOTH:) I'm a spirit having a human experience, yeah.
Sarah Marshall, ND: So that's why I woke up this morning and cried for an hour. 'Cause my spirit is having a human experience. That's good.
Cory Thorell: Right?
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yeah.
Cory Thorell: I think it kind of puts the power back into our own hands, and all of a sudden, we're no longer the victim that we, that it's so easy to fall into the role of being a victim and pass the power and get up 20 fingers and point everywhere else except into our own heart. You know, then all of a sudden we get to that magical place. They're pointing fingers outside of ourselves only goes so far.
It feels good for a minute to pass the buck. It feels good for a minute to place some blame because it might give you a breath. Does it give you more than that?
Sarah Marshall, ND: You know, I think it's a progression too, because I, I think that there is... there's an awakening for some people where they due to childhood circumstances, lives they were born into that they didn't have any choice over where they ended up in the beginning... There's a real power to get angry and to be like, like, cause there were places where, you know, my parents are going to listen to all of these. Love you guys, guys. You're awesome. And being raised by conscious Buddhist hippies that came up from this world that everything was a hundred percent my responsibility.
There were places where I wouldn't tell somebody to knock something off. I wouldn't tell them, like, you're not allowed to treat me that way or don't do that because I was always over here going well, what's my part in it? And I have my own role to play, but it was like not the most powerful way. So I had to go through a process where for a while, I had to give myself permission to kind of blame others, to actually recognize...
but it was more like coming into my own of what is it to exert healthy boundaries. But at the moment when I first started, I didn't know that I just had to give myself permission to blame somebody else and be like, no, that was effed up. They shouldn't have done that to me. Like, because I was spending so much time over here advocating inside of it.
And then I moved there and then I feel like I've come all the way to the other side. Not in every situation, but in many of them, but I do think that hanging out in the blame, staying in the blame. Won't get us there at all. Yeah. I can see where sometimes there's a moment. That's a breakthrough to start to move through healthy boundaries and then we can get even further along in the conversation.
Cory Thorell: Yeah. I really believe that that's, it's an essential and necessary step on a longer path.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Just don't stay on that step. (laughs) Yeah.
Cory Thorell: When I first, when we first started talking about it, I mentioned, you know, I have a difficulty with the word heal because I think that we're all okay. Part of that is our belief system, you know, like, all right, when we're focusing on healing, sometimes we're too focused on the brokenness of our healing process, so we don't heal. We stay stuck. We're still focusing on...
Sarah Marshall, ND: still looking at that.
Cory Thorell: Right. You know, and you know, something, we need to change our words and our brain.
We need to change the way we form sentences in our thoughts, to how we talk to ourselves and others. So that the focus then moves from actually what it is we're healing to who we are going to become when we're healed. When you arrive at healed.
Sarah Marshall, ND: You have a term for that, that language change.
Cory Thorell: Yeah, I do. Switchcraft
Sarah Marshall, ND: Switchcraft! Yeah, I love it. Cause it's like witchcraft, but switch crafting. We're just gonna switch, craft that sentence around and you always do it in these like really fun, poetic ways.
Cory Thorell: And that's exactly what I'm doing in this conversation right now is cause you know, I really want to honor what it is to be in pain or to be suffering or to realize your need for a healing journey and that is a place of compassion and it is tender and it is raw and sometimes it's embarrassing and sometimes it's vulnerable and sometimes we just don't know what to do next and that's all okay. Yeah, that's awesome. And that's an important piece of our awareness as we look into our own journey of healing so that we can be open enough to allow the awareness of our next steps to appear to us right here, right now. So we can make them tangible. Sometimes those are the baby steps, like the next ten minutes, or maybe tomorrow, or next week.
Sometimes we can actually see a path into the next months or years on a healing journey as we shift and choose. Actually, we choose who we want to become in our healing journey, be that with our physical ailments or our beliefs, or just who we want to evolve into as we grow older.
Sarah Marshall, ND: I think you hit on something though that's so huge. And I'm probably pretty guilty of this is like, there is a point though that, you know, can I even declare myself as a hundred percent symptom free? No, I have a human body. It still has reactions to things. And quite frankly, we live in a world with a lot of toxins and a lot of stresses. And, you know, I mean, I say I woke up raw this morning and I had red wine last night, which historically messes up my system. And so like, I literally could have been that, that just was like, and all the wires are off. Right. But I have the tendency being in the profession to always look for what's wrong. What's bad. What's wrong. What's bad. What's wrong. What's bad.
Versus like, there is a point, whether you're a hundred percent healed or your body's totally resolved or whatever it is, where you just gotta go, like start living life, like, like drag your freaking symptoms with you, take your pain along for the ride, you know, take your blistering skin with you and be like, yeah, okay, great. Well, I got that. My body's going to keep doing this thing, but I'm not going to let it stop me from living the life I want to live. And that, I think that's a... that's a tough one for people, especially when they've been in chronic illness for a really long time, is like, like that familiarity of being in the space of chronic illness.
And, and I, you know, I do put my clients in a lot of therapeutic diets and on a lot of situations where I'm like, I need you to not, you know, don't eat this, avoid that, do these things. But there is a point like when I was in med school, we often would kick around the term that like health is equal to balance.
And like your reaction to heal. That's my reaction to balance. I hate the word balance. I'm like, look, look at nature. What is, where is it ever balanced for longer than like a minuscule second, you know? And then the forest fire comes through, but that's actually a good thing. And then a flood comes through, but that's actually a good thing.
And you know, so in our lives too, I'm like, it's not about balance. It might be about the capacity to balance, like in movement or dance through something, but it's not about stagnation or being stuck. And so. You know, you can... I had this in my journey to where like, as I was, you know, grew up with chronic illness that went deeper into my body.
They took my tonsils out, messed up my immune system, my digestion started to get off. There was just like a myriad of things all the way down to where mostly I was dealing with pretty severe seasonal depression and blood sugar and balances and irritability and chronic constipation. It just like at all about deeper in my body.
And I was 24 years old.
I'm like the college kid and I have to sleep at nine hours a night. I can't stay up past 10:30 and my brain won't work. I had to eat like every two hours. My blood sugar would crash. Like my endocrine system was a wreck. I didn't really know it. So I started naturopathic school and the first two years, it was amazing.
I worked in applied kinesiology. I worked with a very highly skilled naturopath who was doing a lot of body work with me, but everything came about don't eat that, avoid that, don't do that. Don't wear that, don't wear synthetics. Don't wear high heels. Don't wear makeup, don't eat--. I mean, it was like, my life became, as long as I closed my left eye, held my breath, stood on the left foot and always wore the perfect... you know, then I'd be healthy.
And I was like, I was more trapped now inside of it. Now I didn't have the symptoms, but that was when I was like, okay, this is not health. This isn't the end point. And then it became now the rest of my life since then has been, what is it to live my dream life? What is it to live a full and complete life?
And yes, take care of this vessel called my human body.
Cory Thorell: Yeah, absolutely. That brings up, you know, a piece of the conversation that I was so excited that we would get to in this conversation is overwhelm. Cause so often when we know that we are healing or we're working with others who are figuring out their own healing, overwhelm seems to be right there next to it.
Oh, my God, there's all this stuff I have to learn. And there's all these things I have to do. And I have to make time in my already busy schedule and I have to have money to buy the things that I can't afford. And I have to then, and I still have to do the laundry, and clean the toilet and take out the trash,
Sarah Marshall, ND: And serve my clients and go to where I work and take care of the kids and yeah.
Cory Thorell: And that overwhelmed information overload. Holy cow. I can't tell you how many times I feel like I got hit by that truck. Flattened out. And I still do, it still happens. So what I'd like to just say right here, right now in this podcast about information overwhelm is that it happens and it's okay. There's a ton of information out there. And I think how do we choose the most important pieces of information that suit us where we are on our path right here right now, now, and so one of the reasons, ways that I do that, is I think about when we make decisions about how we're going to care for our divine selves, our physical bodies, the ones we care about. What mindset are we in that would serve us best to make those decisions. Like where's the best place to be in your emotions to make hard conversations about where you really are in your path. You know? And so one of those things that comes to me is happiness, right? When we are, when we step into a place of joy and we can actually feel it.
We can take a breath with joy. We can actually maybe look back and find some times and memory where we burst into laughter with some friends or we were in a meadow and the wind was blowing and stars and the clouds were in the sky and it was peaceful and it was happy and we can actually feel, step into joy.
Remember our joy, try it on like an old favorite jacket you haven't put on in awhile. And the hole in the sleeve that your friend ripped in there and you giggle when you think about it, the smell of the smoke of the campfire in the collar as you smell the jacket as you put it on. All of a sudden there's a sigh. All of a sudden, there's a place your heart that becomes tender. And all of a sudden you have a much better place to make some decisions from then a place of freak out or, or fear or tension or hurry, you know, and that becomes a tangible, doable thing as many times a day, as you possibly need it, all of a sudden there's something to do to help stay focused on your healing journey.
Be that I have to study my situation. I have to learn about medicines. I have to learn about how to ask for the help that I need. Yeah, I have to learn who to ask help for. I have to stand up and take responsibility for me on my path of how do you support yourself in taking that responsibility? I really believe it's one of the key tools that's tangible with us in every moment is to take a moment and step into joy.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yeah.
Cory Thorell: That helps me so much. It helps my clients so much. I see it happen in my performance in show business, career every moment, you know, remembering to feel joy for a second, all of a sudden catapults you into the future. You stop...
Sarah Marshall, ND: And I think it's, it's so interesting. It's so valuable what you're saying.
And I'm watching myself cause like there were, I was one of those people. I don't know when it started, but I would say there was at least 10 to 15 years of my life where I would not give myself access to joy on a regular basis. I didn't even know how much I had locked it out. It was to me at minimum as a good New Yorker, joy was frivolous and not serious and meant like, you know, all kinds of things about who you were as a person.
So. You know, I mean, I still, like, I kind of love it going to New York city and walking around with all the people with stern looks on their faces and like, it like reminds me of, of home, but. I remember when I moved out West and people would just smile at me. And I literally was like, what is up with all these weirdo?
Like, you know, it was bizarre. So like that was just cultural. And then there was other stuff that was more personal to me. I've actually recently noticed that there's been a huge shift in my life. The fact that I now live my life by if it's not fun, I'm not going to do it. That was not the case, even just a few years ago.
My sister and I actually, cause she's like pure joy. My sister is sparkle and joy and laughter and fun and play. And all she wants to do is play. And any time that like anything other than plays happening, she's very grumpy. And we would get at odds because I was over here, miss serious, you know, like you got to take me seriously, I'm going to do serious things.
And what I'm up to matters because of that seriousness and look how busy I am. It makes me more important. You know, I had all of that stuff and. And was successful and, you know, going through medical school and writing my book in the first two years of being out as a doctor and like, you know, I mean, I did the things, but I remember I had technically made it, you know, it was like five or six years out of being out of school and in my practice and the money was there and the life was there and the, all the, like the, like I had made it and I was sitting at breakfast with a friend in downtown Scott-- Scottsville? -Dale? Whatever, Arizona in tears, because he said, what brings you joy? And I didn't even want to listen to the question.
Cory Thorell: Oh, yeah.
Sarah Marshall, ND: I resented him for it and it still made my skin crawl. And like even having to come into that conversation, I was like, don't make me do it. You know? I literally, I remember arguments with my sister where she, you know, would, would want to just be playful. And I would like, I don't do that. So, what would you say to a person like that?
Cory Thorell: Well, you know, I'm laughing right now. As you tell me this story. Because you know, just this week I reconnected with one of my mentors from a long time ago, who's always told me that I was their coach. And this is long before I stepped into being a coach, a coach. Yeah. And these are some pretty successful coaches in the world now, and they're hilarious and they're funny people and they're so loving and so caring. And one of them, her main mission about her coaching business is to teach how to love yourself, how to step into loving yourself and or to be in joy.
How to step into joy to do it first. And, when I first knew that about her, I didn't think much about it, but then we started talking this week, cause you know, I'm, as I'm launching my new career as a coach and, and she's like Cory, you have to realize this is a hard thing for a lot of people.
Cause I was kinda struggling along until I found my niche market of joy. And all of a sudden I went from, you know, 500 bucks, you know, a week? To maybe a couple of thousand dollars a month to an $80,000 a year career. Just talking about joy. Wow. I'm like, wow. I happened to be a master at that.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yes! You are! (laughter)
Cory Thorell: But all of a sudden, like I was validated. You know, cause part of me was like, you know, who am I to be a coach? Who am I to show up and help other people? And on one token, I know that I have the skills and I've been doing it my whole life, which is why I'm doing what I'm doing.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Decades, decades of work. Yeah.
Cory Thorell: How amazing to see that there is a need in the world. Just like yourself, Sarah, you know, just, you know, like I didn't experience joy. It wasn't the New Yorker thing to do, you know? And it's kind of funny, like when I first started going to New York as a teenager, as a theater person and going to Broadway as a Western smiling kid.
Sarah Marshall, ND: I know! Everyone was like (inaudible)
Cory Thorell: Street. And at first I was like, God, they're right. New Yorkers, New Yorkers are assholes.
Sarah Marshall, ND: I totally--
Cory Thorell: And then I was like, well, wait a second. No, they're not. Everybody in New York, you know, when they're at home, they have to have their best face on because they're sharing a tiny room with three people. They don't like; when they're at work, they have to have their best face on because they'll get fired if they don't. The only time New Yorkers are alone is when they're on a packed subway, walking with 10,000 people.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yes. That's what we were actually granting each other's space by not looking at each other because it's like, like we ha you know, it's literally like, acknowledging people's private moments in public with a thousand people walking down the street.
Cory Thorell: So I figured that out. Didn't take me very long. So then I decided I'm going to smile at people in New York all the time. And I was standing on the street somewhere. I was up on like 50th street maybe. And, I was crossing the street and I looked across the street and William Defoe was standing there. Right? And I've always loved how scary he he's in every role he plays. He was looking at me and I was looking at him and I didn't, I thought, all right, well, I'm just going to, I'm not going to be a fan drooling over him. So I decided not to smile at him. And as we crossed each other on the street, he turned with a shit-eating grin, smiled at me and went "yo sailor!" (laughing)
Sarah Marshall, ND: Oh my god!!!! (laughing continues) That's awesome.
Cory Thorell: I cracked up laughing, it was like Ah! Cosmic validation for sure. (laughs)
Sarah Marshall, ND: I actually, I don't think I've ever told you this. I remember the very first moment I met you in the parking lot, and you like threw your arms out and you went to give me this and you were grinning ear to ear and laughing, and you're like, welcome home sister.
And I inside my head. I'm sure.
Cory Thorell: You were stiff as a board!
Sarah Marshall, ND: In my head, I was like who does this guy think he is? Right. (laughing) so funny!
Cory Thorell: I know. I felt like I was hugging a tree.
Sarah Marshall, ND: You were. Maybe even rock.
Yeah. Totally. I was just like, Oh my God. Yeah. So funny. Totally.
Cory Thorell: Well, look at us now!
Sarah Marshall, ND: And I will share that one of the healing journeys I've been on is I called sacred plant medicine into my life and it has done a ton to melt the ice princess. I actually have had coaches call me out years ago and literally were like, you're the ice princess.
Like, you just don't let anybody in and you're on your high tower and yes, you're accomplished. But you know, it was like all shrouded in this importance and it's still my biggest struggle to like, let the guard down and get vulnerable and let people see me as I am. And every time I do, everyone always goes, that's the person we love.
Like, we're, we're much rather be with that version, you know, not version, cause it's all on me. Right. But. It's still hard for me on the inside of my head to go there. I am, you know, a dyed-in-the-wool, Type A, want to look perfect in every way. If I, if I hadn't done the work that I've done. So there's been lots of deepening and lots of relaxing, and I will attribute that there was particular things I couldn't seem to get access to melting and the amount of joy...interestingly enough confronting some of the darkest stuff in my life, going to some of the scariest places in my psyche over this last year of work, I have just naturally witnessed the amount of joy and laughter has gone up like 10 fold and I had no idea that was going to happen. None at all.
Cory Thorell: That's an amazing byproduct of that work. (Laughs) It really is. Yeah. The reasons why I really think, you know, when we're not experiencing joy, especially with a, you know, a daunting path presented to us that we have to walk down all of a sudden a healing journey. Yeah. You know, is to re we remember joy, you know, and what it really feels like to put on that, that sacred jacket of joy at a favorite, favorite cozy place.
Is that it comes easier every time, you know, and I'm going to say it again. You know, when we experience our joy, we think better. We, we make better decisions. We process harder information faster with ease and grace. Yeah. When we experience our joy, when we are not experiencing our joy for too large of chunks of time, a whole different thing begins to happen.
Yeah. Daunting, dark clouds, you know, cynicism and pessimism start taking over every breath. And then that begins a completely different ripple. Yeah. Now, as we manifest what we think about. You know, you know, I really believe that's true. We manifest what we think about. Whatever is in our brain, appears in front of us.
You know, I think about the power of like neuroscience and neuro linguistics and how we have the ability to create new pathways in our brain to make new connections within our synopses and to make ourselves think and believe thoughts that we never could before. First of all, believing that that's possible is an amazing place to start. Even if you haven't experienced it yourself, even though you're doing it every minute, you may not think you are, but we are. Yeah. And actually to make a choice about, okay, well, this is where I'm at right now. And it may not be good and it may not be, I might not like it. And I might be very uncomfortable but who do I want to be? Here's how I feel. But how do I want to feel? You know, you know, and so the power of dreaming, this is one of the things that, after being shot down by my career and being shot down by fearful leaders in a world of creativity who are clipping my wings, because I was too big. I was too powerful. So they'd shoot me down and then I'd be frightened to move forward. Right? As I step into the belief that it doesn't have to be this way. I forgot to dream. They stopped my dreaming from outside of right now. I had to relearn how to dream, how do I, how do I see myself in my future?
Right? An old dream came true and I didn't dream past that dream coming true.
Sarah Marshall, ND: That that's, I think common too like, I've, I've, you know, I'll just keep speaking from my own experience, but this like continued conversation of like what it is to make it. And, and then to reach the fulfillment of a dream. And then there was this like somewhat shocking depression, emptiness thing that happened afterwards.
And it's just been recent. Quite frankly, this podcast has had a lot to do with rekindling, some unfulfilled dreams, and also just allowing new ones in again now. Like I'm seeing new possibilities for my future that people have even said to me, and I was like, yeah, I know uh-huh, you know, getting back on stages and speaking again and doing workshops and things like that that have always been in the background, but I haven't been like willing to really go after him for whatever reason, but it was in the fulfillment of my private practice when I really saw okay, I've made it as a doctor and the steadiness and the reproducibility in that business. But then there was this like odd depression that came immediately following and like this blank space. That I feel like I'm just now coming out of.
Cory Thorell: Well, I relate to that. Totally. You know, cause I was what know, 15 years old and, and in love with show business, you know, when I was raised by a single mom, you know, kind of in a struggle situation and I just knew the only way... I wasn't going to live that life. I had to do something else I had to bust out of my family's normal. I love them, nothing wrong with that story. As a young, you know, theater-minded gay, you know, 1980s boy, trying to see myself in the world, I fell in love with show business and no one could tell me no, so here I am 30 years later, and I'm still doing that life.
I'm still living a professional showbiz life. I'm touring the world with a big ballet company and doing my thing. However, that dream back then was so big and unattainable and everybody told me you better have another career than showbiz. You're never going to make any money. You're never going to be able to do it. You better have another plan. Well, I didn't have another plan. That was the only plan. And (laughed) no one dared, I never, you know, no one could tell me no, and it got me far. And I remember when we were performing at the Queens Theater in Edinburgh. Right. And it was like this moment when I went like to the epicenter of the EIF, the main office where all the reviews get put up.
And if your company gets a five star review, your company gets invited to eat dinner, you know, in the, in the Edinburgh castle. Right? And so I went down there and I saw, we got the five star review and we're getting all these accolades and all of a sudden it hit me that my dream had come true. And I stood there all alone on the cobblestone streets, outside the castle, bawling my eyes out. And so I sat down and had a cheese plate and a beer. (laughing)
Sarah Marshall, ND: 'Cause that's what we do!
Cory Thorell: I was by myself (inaudible) and I got out my journal and I wrote some stuff down.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yeah.
Cory Thorell: And then I didn't dream past that moment. I was just inside of it and I stayed there for awhile. Now that was probably 10 years ago.
Sarah Marshall, ND: That's profound too. Wow. 10 years ago.
Cory Thorell: Right. And then things started falling apart for me.
I got sick. I was no longer chasing a dream. I was just living inside of this, this inertia I had created and all of a sudden, my passion for it was falling away. All of a sudden I wasn't doing designing theater shows anymore. I wasn't touring stuff. I wasn't creating anymore. I was just living inside of corporate unionism in business of the big art.
Oh, it was a soul sucker and I got sick. That's when I got HIV. That's when I got sick. And all of a sudden, I got a chance to wake up and it was hard. In fact, the day I found out I was HIV positive was the day I got a scholarship to go back to school. It's like, Oh, hello universe. Let's start looking at...how do I support myself in a new way?
Now, here I am all these years later, I'm finally figuring out some of those pieces of the puzzle to actually have a career away from show business. It's taken some time, but here it is. And has it been difficult? Oh yeah. Has it been one of the hardest things I've ever had to do is to look at myself and clean up my own mess? Absolutely. Is it worth it? Totally. Am I still a mess at a lot of things? Oh, absolutely.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yes.
Cory Thorell: You know, so like me too, Sarah, like finding plant medicine has allowed me to step into, a laser beam focuse about who I am and what gifts I have to give and how do I give them? Like how can I show up and be in service to something greater than me now?
Okay. Now here's the crux of, I think my own healing journey. Here it is. I can work on just myself all damn day, work on my own healing just by myself, my own stuff, my own selfish needs and desires and personal ailments all day long. And in doing so I've only been able to get so far, but all of a sudden I take my focus outside of myself and realize that I have a gift to give. There's people out there who have a need for what I have to give. And as I step into service, because I stepped into that gift, giving that creature comfort, mama bear energy that I'm so good at.
Right. All of a sudden my own healing has become a hundred times bigger.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Through the roof, yeah.
Cory Thorell: And I no longer focused on just my own healing because as I focus on something so much bigger than myself, my own healing, just get swept up in the inertia and it's way better than a
Sarah Marshall, ND: way better,
yeah,
Cory Thorell: way better
Sarah Marshall, ND: That's been, that's been one of my tactics for a long time, you know, and my clients push me, 'cause then they present me with circumstances. I mean, I had a conversation just yesterday with someone I've worked with her for six years and I went, "I'm going to have to do some work to grow where I need to grow, to take her where she wants to go next." I mean it was literally like,
Cory Thorell: Oh I love that!
Sarah Marshall, ND: Wow, this is pushing, okay, God, you know, like, and I came right up against it.
And so like it's. Yeah. And, and I think that it's both. Cause I, you know, that's a whole nother conversation that we have kind of a messed up world around in our culture is that services about selflessness, services about self-sacrifice for others. And that's, I know that's not what you're talking about.
That's definitely not what I'm talking about. And one of my great Buddhist teachers on them, Tupin who I've sat in meditation with a lot. He talks about. The Mandala of the sacred Mandala of life. And you put yourself at the center and you do start there. And the idea is to bring the peace, bring the gratitude, bring the awareness right there to you, and then the game or the challenge or wherever you want to put it is to see how big can you make your circle, but you're always in the middle.
And that one, that was a frame shift for me, because I had been
Cory Thorell: Absolutely!
Sarah Marshall, ND: Doing a lot of service at that point. And it was starting to become. I was getting depleted as I was serving others. And it would became, you know, that was one of the times my back went out and you know, my, my, my low back is like my barometer and I have a couple of disks down there that they get all inflamed and bulgy and push, and they literally make me go to bed, which I find very interesting that that's the symptom is like, you, you have to stop moving in life and sit still and think about it, think about what you've done.
Cory Thorell: Well, I love that, when we talk about putting yourself in the center of the circle, when you become the axle of your wheel house, right? You're no longer hanging out on the rim. You're actually the axle of your own wheel house, and what that does is that it allows you to take more and more responsibility for your own experience.
We're often taught to blame and to point outside of ourselves, but if we manifest what we think about and we do, when you put yourself in that hot seat that allows you this amazing opportunity to take 100% responsibility for the life you're living. Why are we, how come we don't have these tools when we're six? Right?
How come, we're not taught how to think about the world as children when we are still invincible. And in our (laughs)
Sarah Marshall, ND: Now, I will say, I ha I just have to put this in is like, there are some places that do that. Like the transformational work that I've been involved in is a company called Landmark and they have their earliest program starts at 8.
And I actually have friends who are my age who did the landmark forum when they were eight years old and they were given these conversations of authenticity, self-responsibility, vulnerability, separating the story from what actually happened. And it's the coolest thing to watch what kids do with it. Also, the Landmark Forum normally is from 10:00 AM until like 11:00 PM at night. Or something like that with kids, it goes from like eight in the morning or 10 in the morning until four. And they're always like, yeah, cause they get it faster. They don't resist all the teachings the way that the adults do.
The kids are like.. "Oh yeah. I've been totally manipulating my parents. I manipulate my parents all the time." They have no problem. They're just like, they're offering up their stuff, you know? So, but, but to your point, it's definitely not part of our. Our full blown education, you know, everywhere and what a gift it would be to empower our children with that. And what that creates is possible for people to, you know, and to some degree I was raised. Somewhat in that. I mean, my parents were actually involved in transformational education and my mom has been studying Buddhism since before I was born. And I've come to found out that my grandmother did the original S training in 1975.
So I'm actually third generation in some of that. So I didn't do the programs myself personally, but I was raised by people who had been in those kinds of conversations. And I can see it. I can see where it made a difference in my upbringing and the things that I operated from. Yeah. Your mom was one of those cutting edge hippies out there, you know?
Cory Thorell: Yeah. I remember like, To this day, she has to have her cassette recorders because she still has all of the cassette tapes of (inaudible) and everybody else.
When I go back and I hear them now, because I was raised with them, with her, you know, it just takes me right back to that place. So much of that early training with my mom made me who I am today. Thank you, mom.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yeah. Thanks, mom, dad. Thanks grandma.
Cory Thorell: Yup, absolutely.
Sarah Marshall, ND: You know, there's been, we've talked about so many powerful things here and I also want to make sure we leave people with some concrete, like, like if somebody listened to this and they're going, yeah, thanks.
Great, Cory. What do I do now? Like how do I access my joy? What's what are some either tools, tips, pieces of advice. Where would you send people to start?
Cory Thorell: First of all, I think, sit with yourself, and do it. And, and to love yourself in a sacred conversation, maybe it's outside of your normal house.
Maybe you need to go to the park or to the mountain or to the river, and to, to be with yourself, knowing that you're starting a new way to talk to yourself. To maybe let a voice inside your own heart, be stronger and louder than it ever has been before. Sometimes our brain and our ego voice is so loud that our own heart voice rarely has a chance to take the seat.
I think one of the first steps is to tune into what is your heart saying versus what is your head saying. Right? And to give that heart speak time and respect and power. I think our answers are from within ourselves, and I think starting at that place, then looking for the help that you're going to need the guidance or the mentorship or the prescription, whatever it might be, you can ask for it from some place.
Of calm as opposed to a place of panic and freak out. Like once I, like we talked about earlier, step into your joy; even if you can't quite make it joy, what about calm? Can you at least get to a place of calm? Baby step.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yeah.
(both talking)
Yeah.
Cory Thorell: So that we can actually form a sentence that's closer to our divine truth, as opposed to reaction that may get us there eventually, you know, but how do we take that pause?
And then as we act, who are our confidants in the world? Who are our mentors? Who are the ones that we can go to and say, Hey, I've got to something I need to work out and I may not have it worked out. Can I bend your ear? Is it your best friend. Is it a family? Is it a therapist or a coach?
All of those different people have a different service to give, but how do we step into our path about getting the assistance that we need? Sometimes you can do it by deep meditation and get it just alone. But if you're like me, boy, arriving at silence in meditation is almost impossible, (laughs)
It's not how I do it. I love the idea of it. And I've experienced with plant medicine. I've been able to do it more and more, but when I'm freaking. Oh, that's the last thing that I can do
Sarah Marshall, ND: For me, a big tool is journaling and a lot of people are like, I don't even know what to write. I don't know how to journal.
And I got this gift from Neale Donald Walsch, who wrote the conversations with God books, where he was so frustrated in his life, he sat down with a yellow, legal pad and wrote a letter to God. And then in his story, he said, and then the pen kept moving. And it said, do you really want answers to all these questions? Or are you just venting? And then this dialogue ensued on this piece of paper with his hand writing both sides of the dialogue and that practice I've taken on, where I ask myself questions or somebody asks me questions and I write answers and, and I create it in such a way that there's a dialogue.
And that makes a difference for me to kind of get my thoughts organized or to get into those deeper, intuitive places to listen from when I can't just sit in meditation and like, otherwise my brain just spins and spins and spins. And then another one that is new for me is actually to stop thinking, stop trying to fig.... Cause I'm a big time analytical figurer outerer so I'm like, Ooh, okay. Okay, Cory. I'm going to do this. I'm going to figure out how to fix this. I'm going to totally sit down in a quiet place and meditatively fix it, which isn't exactly the point. So for me, it's been like challenging myself to look for little bits of joy.
And some of it went to remembering what that looked like as a kid. Like, I never really loved just a blank piece of paper and drawing, but I love to color. I love colors. I love working. I like it. I'm one of those people that gets kookie about colored pencils and markers. And like, I love it. I love coloring.
And I actually have a friend of mine who has a PhD in transformational work and coaching. And she has all these really cool things to say about the science of what coloring does in our brain. And that it's actually really similar if not the same as what meditation can do. So even if we can't necessarily go to that place, I have some really fun graphical adult level coloring books, and you can use any coloring book you want, and like really beautiful sets of markers. And that will sometimes make the shift for me. And I will tell you the business woman inside of me, she has a hard time to sit down and just do something as frivolous as coloring, but it is so nurturing.
Cory Thorell: Well, you know, in my world can just, you know, I, I have an old, an 1889 Queen Anne Victorian house with a turret and I'm sitting in the round room upstairs right now.
Sarah Marshall, ND: I was hoping we were doing this from the round room.
Cory Thorell: Yes. And you know, and so I, over these last couple of years, I hand mixed my own Royal blue chalkboard paint and all the way around the entire room.
And so this coloring, I've got bowls of colored chalk. And this is one thing I do with myself. In fact, behind me is erased right? The second. But the rest of it is full from where the personal work I'm doing myself these last week or two. Right. And I just exploded on the walls outside myself. And you know, sometimes I do it on the floor.
You should see there's big pieces of paper and there's markers and there's color. And there's, there's like 10 different notebooks on the floor, all around me. And what that does for me, you know, is that the swirling thoughts that are swimming in my brain that are overwhelming. And then there's another one and another one and another one and they're all in that big pool swimming together.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yeah.
Cory Thorell: It's really hard when they're in there together to pull one out and explore it. And figure out what is it asking me to do? What is the gift they're in for me to discover? Why is this becoming a pain that needs healing and attention? How come I can't give it the attention it needs because swimming with all those other things.
So all of a sudden I'll pull it out and give it a place outside of my brain in front of me. And I just explode and it's messy and it's dirty and it's not even spelled right. And it's scribbles and that's important because then all of a sudden, when it's outside and you're looking at it, you have this amazing ability to correct it.
Well, you know, that was (inaudible) . It was a reaction because I was angry, but I can erase the anger out of my story. And realize that, okay, now the story evolved into a need that was neglected. Okay. Oh, sorry. So not going to feed the need that was neglected and give it some cosmic nutrition and all of a sudden that shifted because I was able to pull it out of myself and look at it.
People can do that with meditation, sitting on a hill. I'm not that guy pretty on some chalk and I have to get outside of myself.
Sarah Marshall, ND: I need something physical to interact with, totally yeah.
Cory Thorell: In the chalk board world. There's this amazing piece of the puzzle. Where, when you're done, you get to erase it.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Erase it! Yeah!
Cory Thorell: And we're done with that, you know,
Sarah Marshall, ND: I moved into a studio apartment when I first came back to Utah, it was at the base of the mountains. I could see the tram and the chairlifts from my like balcony window, it was heaven for me. And there was this giant like. 4-foot by 6-foot white board that was in there. And the landlord was like, Oh, we're so sorry. We're going to get that out of there. I was like "No!!! That's perfect." And I would, you know, about once every two months I just would brain dump it all and put it all out there. And like, sometimes it'd be messy. Sometimes I'm a little bit more like a boxes and squares and organizational, but it made a huge difference to actually lay it all out. And, and then I can actually look at certain things and be like, I'm not going to do anything about that.
And then I could also look at other things and be like, Oh yeah. I said, I was going to work on that. Like, I think we put so much pressure on ourselves to that we're supposed to remember everything. And there's again, a ton of research and science that talks about how. There's only a certain number of items we can even keep in our brain.
And there's even some research that says you only have a certain allotted number of decisions a day, which is like, I think why Zuckerberg, some of those guys all talk about how they just wear the same thing every single day cause they're not going to waste their decision, making power on what they're going to wear.
And like there's these routines that they create, you know, of like jeans, flannel, jeans, flannel, jeans, flannel. It's just because then they don't have it. I actually have kind of adopted this. I wear the same thing two days in a row all the time. That's 50% less decisions right there, you know, but having the capacity to like, even just to have a structure, to put this all out on, but then also the, keeping it in existence, keeping those dreams alive in that way. And I'm a pretty electronic girl and I have a lot of things that I use Evernote. I use different online notebooks and stuff, but I even that though, like becomes a little bit of a trap. There's something very particular about physically writing, having a physical structure.
And for me having it be big enough, even a journal. Journals are great and things get lost in there, like versus, you know, actually, I mean, this is a podcast, but I got a big corkboard over here that I've been continually working on. How am I going to use this cork board to have that same kind of experience?
So I highly recommend any of those. (inaudible)
Cory Thorell: One thing I've been, I love my favorite way to work with when a client comes to see me, especially when we're just saying hello, like what journey are we going to create? Like, I call it the round room experience, you know, you know, and I think Sarah, you've had a peek at this, you know, but
Sarah Marshall, ND: I still haven't done it though. I think we're due, we're due
Cory Thorell: We sit in a room that's chalkboard all the way around and all of a sudden, we're going to figure out where you are. We're going to figure out why it hurts. We're going to figure out where you want to go and what that feels like when you get there. And then, because it's in the chalkboard room and we're surrounded by it, then this cosmic bridge building starts to happen.
Yeah. And then the, the ability to take out your cosmic trash, when you can remove the things that no longer serve you. And sometimes that's hard because we're addicted to those things. And we're proud that we created those things, no service anymore. You know, and now they're in the way and they're becoming pains and they're becoming disease and they're becoming too big for us to handle, you know, and in order sometimes for a new dream to occur, we have to take out the old one.
You know, and make, actually make room for the new dream. Just like when we plant the garden, we take down last year's dead crops and we turn the soil and make room for that new seedling to have a home kind of the same.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yeah, totally. Yeah, good. There's like a thousand more things I want to talk to you about and we we've filled a pretty serious cup here today.
Cory Thorell: Yes, we have.
Sarah Marshall, ND: I just, God, you bring such a creative and soulful and spiritual. I mean, it's like whenever I have any conversation with you, it just reconnects me back to the divine. Like I don't mean to be all schmoo about it, but like, that's what I get whenever I have my Cory time. So thank you for sharing that here today.
Cory Thorell: Well, thank you for validating that in me, because you know, the more I do this work, the more I realize that's the gift I have to give.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yeah.
Cory Thorell: And I would do it so willingly, you know, because in serving you, I serve myself. Absolutely. Well, let's keep up this good conversation, Sarah. Let's do this again and again.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Yeah. As you say more time with you, please. awesome. Well, and we all look forward to updates on your coaching practice and what you're creating and making yourself available and you know, your decades of knowledge and wisdom that you've accumulated is invaluable for people. So thanks for being willing to start to take those steps.
Cory Thorell: Well, thanks for being one of those people who, helped me push the go button.
Sarah Marshall, ND: You betcha.
Cory Thorell: The button has been pushed.
Sarah Marshall, ND: I know it has! It's awesome
We'll make sure that all the links and things are in our show notes for people to get in touch with you. And,
Cory Thorell: Oh, that'd be great.
Sarah Marshall, ND: I so appreciate you.
Cory Thorell: Please. I'm right here ready for that. Looking forward to it.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Awesome.
Cory Thorell: I love you, Sarah.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Love you too! Until next time.
Cory Thorell: Cheers.
Sarah Marshall, ND: Bye. (music)
Thanks guest Cory3wing Thorell for his courageous stand for our joy and greatness. For a full transcript and all the resources for today's show, visit SarahMarshallND.com/podcast. You can learn more about finding your own healing by going to SarahMarshallND.com or following me on Instagram at @SarahMarshallND. Thanks to our music composer, Roddy Nikpour, and our incredible, bad-ass, amazing editor, Kendra Vicken. We'll see you next time.